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Pats Rank at 2 on CBS Sportsline NFL Preseason Power Rankings
Published 5/9/2007 by Greg at PatsBlog: A Patriots Blog
... According to Pete Prisco, the Colts are still the team to beat.  He ranks the Patriots number two on his preseason power rankings…

Browns Sitting In the Basement of Sportsline Power Rankings
Published 5/9/2007 by JJ Cooper at FanHouse
... I don't think even the most optimistic Browns fan expects to see the Browns in the Super Bowl this year, and the realistic ones will be quite happy with some steady improvement and maybe a .500 record. But Pete Prisco's new offseason power rankings show the Browns no respect at all, ranking them dead lost, behind even the Ravens. I'm trying to figure out how the Browns could possibly rank behind the Raiders. During the offseason the Browns have completely revamped and improved their offensive line, added a talented if aging Jamal Lewis and should be able to count on improvement from a very solid 2006 draft class. That should make them at least a little better than last year. The Raiders on the other hand have traded away the team's best receiver, not fixed the team's massive offensive line problems and still show signs of being a dysfunctional team. Prisco's logic is that JaMarcus Russell will be ready to help bring the Raiders

Pete Prisco's Power Rankings: Bills #20
Published 5/10/2007 by Brian G <info@buffalorumblings.com> at Buffalo Rumblings: Front Page Posts
... Pete Prisco has released his pre-season Power Rankings over at CBS SportsLine, where he has the defending Super Bowl Champion Colts sitting at the top of the league. Buffalo falls in at #20, which is in the area that they finished last season, at least record-wise. My thoughts on the power rankings follow:

NFL Season Predictions: Fans Vs. The "Experts"
Published 8/31/2007 at FanIQ Blog
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Dallas Cowboys previews
Published 9/4/2007 by Dave Halprin (Grizz) <info@bloggingtheboys.com> at Blogging The Boys: Front Page Posts
... Pete Prisco over at SportsLine.com with his Power Rankings. ...

Power Rankings Around the Net
Published 9/5/2007 by Matty I <info@thephinsider.com> at The Phinsider: Front Page Posts
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Vikings Moving in the Power Rankings
Published 9/12/2007 by Gonzo <info@dailynorseman.com> at Daily Norseman: Front Page Posts
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Power Rankings Around the Net
Published 9/12/2007 by Matty I <info@thephinsider.com> at The Phinsider: Front Page Posts
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The Kansas City Chiefs and Week 1 Power Rankings
Published 9/12/2007 by Chris <info@arrowheadpride.com> at Arrowhead Pride: Front Page Posts
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Power Rankings from Around the Web
Published 9/12/2007 by E. Halsey Miles at BroncoTalk
... CBS Sportsline (Pete Prisco): 6 (previously 9) ...

Ranking the Boys
Published 9/12/2007 by Dave Halprin (Grizz) <info@bloggingtheboys.com> at Blogging The Boys: Front Page Posts
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Touring the Power Rankings
Published 9/12/2007 by Jimmy <info@musiccitymiracles.com> at Music City Miracles: Front Page Posts
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Bears Move UP In Power Polls
Published 9/12/2007 by WCG <info@windycitygridiron.com> at Windy City Gridiron: Front Page Posts
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Average Power Ranking
Published 9/12/2007 by TBird41 at The Ragnarok
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The Kansas City Chiefs and the Week 3 Power Rankings
Published 9/18/2007 by Chris <info@arrowheadpride.com> at Arrowhead Pride: Front Page Posts
... CBS - #32 (Last week #30) ...

Power Rankings Around the Net
Published 9/19/2007 by Matty I <info@thephinsider.com> at The Phinsider: Front Page Posts
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Power Rankings Time
Published 9/19/2007 by Jimmy <info@musiccitymiracles.com> at Music City Miracles: Front Page Posts
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Browns slightly more powerful in week 3
Published 9/20/2007 by disappointmentzone at The Disappointment Zone
... Pete Prisco, CBS SportsLine.com: 27 ...

The Kansas City Chiefs and the Week 4 Power Rankings
Published 9/26/2007 by Chris <info@arrowheadpride.com> at Arrowhead Pride: Front Page Posts
... CBS #24 Last week #32(!) ...

Power Rankings Around the Net
Published 9/26/2007 by Matty I <info@thephinsider.com> at The Phinsider: Front Page Posts
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Power Rankings Time
Published 9/26/2007 by Jimmy <info@musiccitymiracles.com> at Music City Miracles: Front Page Posts
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Cleveland Browns, less powerful than before
Published 9/26/2007 by disappointmentzone at The Disappointment Zone
... : 28 A week after the shocking victory over Cincinnati, Cleveland came a last-second blocked field goal shy of improving to 2-1. The Raiders got the best of the Browns in the 26-24 loss. If there was a bright spot in the defeat, though, it was the play of return man Joshua Cribbs. Cribbs returned a kick for a score 98 yards in the second half. It was the former college quarterback s second kick return TD of the year. If he keeps it up, he ll be representing the Browns in the Pro Bowl as the AFC s return man in February. Pete Prisco, CBS SportsLine.com : 27 They are a blocked field goal away from being 2-1. At least they re playing better. It s baby steps for this team. Dennis Dillon, ...

Power Rankings Around the Net
Published 10/3/2007 by Matty I <info@thephinsider.com> at The Phinsider: Front Page Posts
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The Kansas City Chiefs and the Week 5 Power Rankings
Published 10/3/2007 by Chris <info@arrowheadpride.com> at Arrowhead Pride: Front Page Posts
... CBS #21 Last week #24 ...

Power Rankings Time
Published 10/3/2007 by Jimmy <info@musiccitymiracles.com> at Music City Miracles: Front Page Posts
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Browns: more powerful than ever
Published 10/4/2007 by disappointmentzone at The Disappointment Zone
... Pete Prisco, CBS SportsLine.com: 24 ...

Power Rankings Around the Net
Published 10/10/2007 by Matty I <info@thephinsider.com> at The Phinsider: Front Page Posts
... -CBS Sports: 32 ...

The Kansas City Chiefs and the Week 6 Power Rankings
Published 10/10/2007 by Chris <info@arrowheadpride.com> at Arrowhead Pride: Front Page Posts
... CBS #25 Last week #21 ...

NFL Power Rankings Time
Published 10/10/2007 by Jimmy <info@musiccitymiracles.com> at Music City Miracles: Front Page Posts
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Overrated/Underrated
Published 10/11/2007 by cgolden <info@behindthesteelcurtain.com> at Behind the Steel Curtain: Front Page Posts
... and CBS there are some teams that stood out to me as being overrated or underrated. First off, the top four seems locked in with NE, IND, DAL, and PIT (in that order). All three polls are the same except that CBS has IND #1 and NE #2. I can't argue with that order very much although I still think Pittsburgh would beat Dallas if they played, but Dallas is 5-0 and Pittsburgh is 4-1 so I understand.   ...

NFL Power Rankings Time
Published 10/17/2007 by Jimmy <info@musiccitymiracles.com> at Music City Miracles: Front Page Posts
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Power Rankings Around the Net
Published 10/17/2007 by Matty I <info@thephinsider.com> at The Phinsider: Front Page Posts
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NFL Power Rankings Time
Published 10/23/2007 by Jimmy <info@musiccitymiracles.com> at Music City Miracles: Front Page Posts
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The KC Chiefs and the Power Rankings
Published 10/24/2007 by Chris <info@arrowheadpride.com> at Arrowhead Pride: Front Page Posts
... CBS #14 Last week #19 ...

Power Rankings Around the Net
Published 10/24/2007 by Matty I <info@thephinsider.com> at The Phinsider: Front Page Posts
... -CBS Sports: 32 ...

The Kansas City Chiefs and the Power Rankings
Published 10/31/2007 by Chris <info@arrowheadpride.com> at Arrowhead Pride: Front Page Posts
... CBS #11 Last week #14 ...

NFL Power Rankings Time
Published 10/31/2007 by Jimmy <info@musiccitymiracles.com> at Music City Miracles: Front Page Posts
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Detroit Lions week 8 power ranking roundup
Published 11/2/2007 by Big Al at The Wayne Fontes Experience
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Bills climbing the Power Rankings
Published 11/6/2007 by Dan Goldman at Circling the Wagons
... lands Buffalo at No. 16, one spot up from the week before. FOX wisely put the Ravens behind the Bills. Marshawn Lynch has been quietly solid all season. He had an explosive coming out party on Sunday, ripping up the Bengals for 153 yards on the ground. Lynch had a 56-yard TD run that put the game away late in the fourth quarter. He also threw an 8-yard touchdown pass to Robert Royal with six minutes left. Many folks wrote the Bills off after starting the season with a 1-4 record. But since that devastating Monday night loss to Dallas, Buffalo’s won three straight games and has improved to 4-4 on the year. In the thick of the AFC Wild Card chase, the young Bills take on the winless Dolphins this weekend. CBS does one better, putting Buffalo at No. 15 Can it be? The Bills are .500. Give Dick Jauron loads of credit for keeping this team moving forward. This entry was posted on Tuesday, November 6th, 2007 at 2:33 pm and is file ...

The Chiefs and the National Power Rankings
Published 11/7/2007 by Chris <info@arrowheadpride.com> at Arrowhead Pride: Front Page Posts
... CBS #14 Last week #11 ...

NFL Power Rankings Time
Published 11/7/2007 by Jimmy <info@musiccitymiracles.com> at Music City Miracles: Front Page Posts
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Despite what you might have heard, beating the Jets in overtime makes us better
Published 11/8/2007 by Skin Patrol <info@hogshaven.com> at Hogs Haven: Front Page Posts
... bashing; I'm guilty so I won't get too indignant, but good on them for playing us tough with a brand new quarterback) and yet move us up 3 spots. Likely in virtue of stock dropping Chargers (7->14), Chiefs (11->15), Seahawks (12->16), and Ravens (14->17). Et tu, Pete Prisco? ...

Detroit Lions week 9 power ranking roundup
Published 11/8/2007 by Big Al at The Wayne Fontes Experience
... of skinny linemen. "That can't be true," she says. "You made that up? You mean you didn't?" No. Yes. I don't mean that. The 4 Letter: 8 - Impressed by the Lions 44 point outburst, as were we all. It's been 10 years since the Lions scored more than the 44 points they posted in beating the Broncos. But head coach Rod Marinelli thinks there's room to improve. "Offensively, I still believe the best is ahead of us," he told the Free Press. CBS Sportsline: 8 - No longer laughing at Jon Kitna's 10 win prediction. Jon Kitna ...

The Chiefs and the National Power Rankings
Published 11/14/2007 by Chris <info@arrowheadpride.com> at Arrowhead Pride: Front Page Posts
... CBS #16 Last week #14 Can Brodie Croyle get that passing game going? He had better if they are to have any chance to make the playoffs. Fox Sports #17 Last week #13 Strong-armed second-year quarterback Brodie Croyle replaced an ...

Ricky Williams In, Dwight Freeney Out and NFL Power Rankings
Published 11/14/2007 by Jimmy <info@musiccitymiracles.com> at Music City Miracles: Front Page Posts
... CBSSportsline: 8. Titans Until Vince Young can throw it better, they have issues on offense. Now they face back-to-back roadies, starting in Denver. That's tough. NewsDay.com: 8. Titans After quietly racking up ...

Detroit Lions week 10 power ranking roundup
Published 11/16/2007 by Big Al at The Wayne Fontes Experience
... CBS Sportsline: 9 - We officially have what the cool internets kids call a "Meme." Sportsline gives the Lions a mulligan for their awful Arizona performance, but they have to...Wait for it...Run the ball better. Unlike when I play golf with friends, the Lions only get one mulligan. Hey, we play "Winter rules" all year long... ...

Prisco in a nutshell
Published 11/18/2007 by Dave at BlownCoverage.com
... . Pete Prisco has been asking for weeks now in his Power Rankings when Miami is finally going to start John Beck. He mentioned it again last week and since the page gets updated every week, I figured I'd just put a screen shot for you. (Click to view a larger image) They're the lone winless team now that the Rams have left them behind. When is John Beck going to play? I'll ask the question every week until he's put in the starting lineup. So, the change has finally been made and ...

Bills tumble in national power rankings
Published 11/20/2007 by Dan Goldman at Circling the Wagons
... last week. Peter Schrager writes: “The Bills need to just forget Sunday night’s nationally televised 56-10 loss to the Patriots. They’re not the first team to be downright obliterated by New England and they won’t be the last. The Bills’ wild card hopes are still alive, and as winners of four of their last six — things could certainly be worse. The Bills will need to regroup for Sunday’s game against Jacksonville.” CBS Sports let Buffalo slide five spots down to No. 18. Pete Prisco writes: ...

The Chiefs and the Power Rankings
Published 11/28/2007 by Chris <info@arrowheadpride.com> at Arrowhead Pride: Front Page Posts
... CBS #22 Last week #20 It has been the passing game all year long that has undone this team. At least Kolby Smith kept the running game going. Fox Sports #24 Last week #22 Tough loss for the Chiefs on Sunday against the Raiders. ...

NFL Power Rankings Time
Published 11/28/2007 by Jimmy <info@musiccitymiracles.com> at Music City Miracles: Front Page Posts
... CBSSportsline: 12. Titans They got caught in a tough situation against the Bengals, a short week and back-to-back road games. They need to turn it around this week against the Texans. NewsDay.com: 16. Titans ...

The Chiefs and the National Power Rankings: Week 14
Published 12/5/2007 by Chris <info@arrowheadpride.com> at Arrowhead Pride: Front Page Posts
... CBS #22 Last week #22 They just don't do enough with their passing game to be a real playoff threat. They have to improve that next season. Fox Sports #23 Last week #24 Injuries continue to riddle the Chiefs, as quarterback Damon ...

Power Rankings: Week 15
Published 12/13/2007 by Chris <info@arrowheadpride.com> at Arrowhead Pride: Front Page Posts
... CBS #22 Last week #22 What have we learned about Brodie Croyle so far? That he's got a long way to go. Fox Sports #27 Last week #23 The Chiefs lost their sixth straight game and fell to 4-9 with a devastating 41-7 loss in Denver. ...

Skins Giving Many Points
Published 12/30/2007 by Dan Steinberg at D.C. Sports Bog
... I think this has something to do with Fred Smoot's frequent exhortations to put one's foot on the dog's throat. Anyhow, this is as good a time as any to revisit LVSC's Weekly Power Rankings. Washington is now up to 12th in the NFL, seventh among NFC teams. I can't remember exactly how high the Skins got, but they were definitely in the Top 10 at one point . Other power rankings: FoxSports agrees with 12th, ESPN.com says 13th, NFL.com says 11th, CBSSports says 11th and NBCSports says 14th. Football Outsiders's stats say 14th ...

Gamblers like Patriots in '08
Published 7/7/2008 by MaPatsFan at Pats Pulpit: Front Page Posts
... is favored to win the Championship - I'm not too surprised with that pick (it's hard for a Superbowl champ to repeat).  So based on this site, Brady will be squaring off against Romo; that'd be a good game.  Oh, it almost slipped my mind: T.O. and Moss.  Can you say, "Media Circus?"  I knew you could. What does this tell us?  Absolutely nothing.  I do, however, place more credence on betting sites than I do "what if's" from ESPN and sportsonline.com (make sure you read the good with the bad, too).  ...

Preseason Power Ranking
Published 9/3/2008 by TBird41 (noreply@blogger.com) at The Ragnarok
... before the season kicks off is as good a time as any to start my weekly look at where the Vikings stand in the minds of the "experts". Obviously, it doesn't mean anything, but, what the heck, it's a way to pass the time. Once again, I'll be using advanced statistics (adding the five rankings together and then dividing them by five) to determine the average. Cold, Hard Football Facts.com (13) Foxsports.com (12) ESPN.com (11) CBSsportsline.com (13) Dr. Z's rankings on CNNSI.com (4)The rankings ...

Week 1 Power Rankings Links
Published 9/5/2008 by Bassett at thejetsblog.com
... Sportsline — Jets #20 – ”So Favre makes this a playoff team? Not quite. That’s what most would think, but I see 8-8. They will regret the Favre trade in a year. You watch.” ...

Week One Power Rankings
Published 9/10/2008 by TBird41 (noreply@blogger.com) at The Ragnarok
The rankings don't look anywhere near as nice as they did a week ago, that's for sure. The Vikings average ranking dropped from 10.6 from 17.4, a huge drop. I guess that's what happens when you lose a game on National TV. A win over the Colts, who's average rank is 10.2, would go a long way toward getting the Vikings rankings back up. Cold, Hard Football Facts.com (20) Foxsports.com (16) ESPN.com (16) CBSsportsline.com (19) Dr. Z's rankings on CNNSI.com (18)

Panthers Rise in the Power Rankings
Published 9/12/2008 by LittleKing at Cat Scratch Reader: Front Page Posts
... Hasenmayer is a believer now. Though conservatively No. 13 in last week's pre-kick rankings, the time for restraint is over. Sunday's thrilling, final-play win in San Diego was no fluke win against no fluke team (Chargers ranked No. 1 last week). Jake Delhomme, healthy again, provided late heroics that were once commonplace in Carolina during the Panthers' first Super Bowl run five years ago. Now that he's healthy, look out.   CBS Sportline.com Power Rankings 16th to 10th. So ...

Vegas's Week Three Power Rankings
Published 26 days ago by Dan Steinberg at D.C. Sports Bog
... judged about two points better than Arizona, which, given the home-field this week, makes me think you might want to put all your AIG holdings on the burgundy-and-gold box. Theoretically. Based on today's rankings, the Skins would be favored in seven of their remaining games and underdogs in seven more, finishing at a tidy 8-8. Some more rankings from around the Web: ESPN.com says Washington is 19th, the Football Outsiders' math stuff says Washington is 15th, Sportsline says Washington is 23rd, SI.com says Washington is 14th, and Fox Sports ...

Killing Time: Fallout from the End of the Tarvaris Revolution
Published 25 days ago by TBird41 (noreply@blogger.com) at The Ragnarok
... rankings. They've dropped from just outside of the top ten to inside the top twenty and now, are outside of the top twenty with an average of 20.2. A win over the Panthers, who have an average rank of 7th, would certainly help the Vikings' move up, but don't expect them to get near their preseason ranking unless they go on a winning streak. Cold, Hard Football Facts.com (19) Foxsports.com (19) ESPN.com (21) CBSsportsline.com (22) Dr. Z's rankings on CNNSI.com (20) ...

New York Giants finally finding respect
Published 24 days ago by ETVal at Big Blue View: Front Page Posts
... stands for Defense-adjusted Value Over Average, a complicated formula Football Outsiders uses to measure various parts of a football team. Both of the bloggers I have interviewed recently, 'Van Ram' from Turf Show Times and Josh Kirkendall from Cincy Jungle have mentioned wishing Tom Coughlin coached their teams. The Giants are No. 3 in the ESPN power rankings. A meaningless achievement, but a nice number. CBS Sportsline has the Giants at No. 2. With this tantalizing comment: They ...

Eagles soar in latest NFL power rankings
Published 19 days ago by JasonB at Bleeding Green Nation: Front Page Posts
... the game -- including main men McNabb and Westbrook. Watch out QBs: Defensive whiz Jim Johnson is dialing up the blitzes again ESPN has the same top 3 but with Dallas as #1. Having Dallas guy Matt Mosely writing them helps I'm sure. Eagles #3. They put up points against a solid Cowboys defense and then used a fierce pass rush to slow down the Steelers. We need to see how Brian Westbrook responds to the ankle injury. CBS sportsline has the Eagles at #5 up from #12 last week. ...

Vegas's Week Four NFL Power Rankings
Published 18 days ago by Dan Steinberg at D.C. Sports Bog
... rankings, the Skins would be favored in seven of their remaining games and underdogs in six more, finishing at a happy 9-7. Many of these games, though, are shaping up as virtual toss-ups, since most of Washington's toughest remaining games are at home while the weaker opponents come on the road (i.e. at Seattle, home vs. Pittsburgh). Some more rankings from around the Web: ESPN.com says Washington is 15th, the Football Outsiders' math stuff says Washington is 16th, Sportsline says Washington is 12th, SI.com says Washington is 10th, and Fox ...

Vegas likes the Redskins more than most, if not in this game
Published 18 days ago by Skin Patrol at Hogs Haven: Front Page Posts
... 142.1 Which means, per Las Vegas, Dallas, Philly, and the Giants would be favored over every team in the league on neutral field, excepting the Chargers. Our 12th ranking actually squares pretty closely with most, though Vegas is giving us a slight edge over the conventional wisdom: Some more rankings from around the Web: ESPN.com says Washington is 15th, the Football Outsiders' math stuff says Washington is 16th, Sportsline says Washington is 12th, SI.com says Washington is 10th, and Fox ...

Post Week 4 NFL Power Rankings: Big Head Edition
Published 12 days ago by Jimmy at Music City Miracles: Front Page Posts
... are the only team that has played three home games. (PK) FOXSPORTS.com There always has to be one... This week that falls to FAUXSPORTS Best team in the AFC? So far they've earned it on the power of the NFL's best scoring defense (9.7 points allowed/game) and a strong inside/outside running duo of Lendale White and Chris Johnson. CBSSPORTSLINE.com Pete Prisco gets us back on track with a #2 ranking from CBS Sportsline. With that defense, they will stay close to the top all ...

Power Rankings: Still Depressed
Published 12 days ago by TBird41 (noreply@blogger.com) at The Ragnarok
... over New Orleans will be enough to turn things around (please, please beat New Orleans so I can still dream about a playoff berth and a Giants/Steelers type run to a title). Anyway, the Vikings lost whatever ground they may have gained in Week 3 by losing to the Titans. They've now reached a new low in the Power Rankings, with an average ranking of 20.8. Cold, Hard Football Facts.com (20) Foxsports.com (19) ESPN.com (21) CBSsportsline.com (24) Dr. Z's rankings on CNNSI.com (20)

Vegas Redskins Forecast: 12-4 or 13-3
Published 11 days ago by Dan Steinberg at D.C. Sports Bog
... As always, the oddsmakers are slower to move than sportswriters, and more willing to write up one result as an aberration rather than a true test of merit. The Cowboys are judged two points better than the next best team (the Chargers) and 5.8 points better than Washington on a neutral field. Last week, they were judged 9 points better. Some more rankings from around the Web: ESPN.com says Washington is 6th, the Football Outsiders' math stuff says Washington is 7th, Sportsline says Washington is 4th, SI.com says Washington is 3rd, and Fox ...

Week 6 NFL Power Rankings: Climbing an Escalator Backwards Edition
Published 5 days ago by Jimmy at Music City Miracles: Front Page Posts
... (PK) FOXSPORTS.com Well they did move us from 4 to 3 but we've still yet to impress the moron's at FAUXSPORTS Give it up for old man Kerry Collins. Not many QBs could lead an 11-play touchdown drive late in the fourth quarter against this year's Ravens defense, and on the road. Jeff Fisher's crew is building something special, and already has a 2 1/2 game lead in the AFC South. CBSSPORTSLINE.com Pete Prisco keeps us at #2 on CBS Sportsline. The comment is less than endearing though. The defense ...

Power Rankings: Moving Up!
Published 5 days ago by TBird41 (noreply@blogger.com) at The Ragnarok
It's pretty simple--win and you move up in the power rankings. The Vikings won, so they moved up from, an average ranking of 20.8 to their current 17.8 ranking. Of course, they'd be higher, except Fox Sports inexplicably dropped them from 19 to 22 despite the Vikings' win. Yeah, I don't get that either. Cold, Hard Football Facts.com (16) Foxsports.com (22) ESPN.com (19) CBSsportsline.com (17) Dr. Z's rankings on CNNSI.com (15)

Will the Skins Ever Be Underdogs Again?
Published 5 days ago by Dan Steinberg at D.C. Sports Bog
... second in the NFC behind only Dallas.) As for Bodog, I mentioned before the season that the Redskins' odds for division, conference and Super Bowl titles were 13-2, 18-1 and 40-1. The current listings are 3-1, 6-1 and 12-1. A 6-1 chance that the Hip Hip Hoorayride spends early February in Tampa? Like I said last week, Zoinks. Some more rankings from around the Web: ESPN.com says Washington is 3rd, the Football Outsiders' math stuff says Washington is 5th, Sportsline says Washington is 3rd, SI.com says Washington is 2nd, as does Fox ...

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