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Putting the scissor to defense (Part 1)
Putting the scissor to defense (Part 1)
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Putting the scissor to defense (Part 1) from The Hardball Times
hardballtimes.com — by Colin Wyers May 28, 2009 Does the world need another defensive metric? Well, I needed one,... at least. I will admit that it's significantly inspired by what has preceded it, and as a system in its infancy it has some ground to make up to join the ... (more) Putting the scissor to defense (Part 1) from The ...

6 Comments
  • studes studes
    +1
    Awesome, Colin!  I have to take some time to digest this, but I love seeing a fielding list that includes Germany Smith next to Brooks Robinson.
    Posted 5/28/2009 respond (flag)
  • JinAZ JinAZ
    +1

    Great work.  Like Studes, I think that what's really exciting about this is that it gives us something that can be used to look at fielding prior to 1956.  Have you tried comparing it to Davenport's FRAA at BPro?  That's the only alternative, really.
    -j

    Posted 5/28/2009 respond (flag)
  • Tracy Tracy
    +1

    Awesome indeed. 

     Best of all, it validates the perceptions at the time - contemporary sources all testify to the prowess of Smith, Glasscock, and McPhee.  Similarly, most of us would agree that Palmer, Madlock, and Orta were brutal in the field.

    Posted 5/28/2009 respond (flag)
  • devil_fingers devil_fingers
    +1
    Just add my name to the list of kudos, Colin. Now I have no choice but to somehow get RetroSheet on my computer... add in baserunning and arms, and every person in the world now has the basic tools to calculate WAR in whatever way we see fit.
    Posted 5/28/2009 respond (flag)
  • Wes Parkers Mood (Mike Green) Wes Parkers Mood (Mike Green)
    +1

    Nice stuff.  Don't forget that you'll want to do park-adjustments, to the extent possible, at some point. And when the outfielders are done, it is important that you compare the sum of the individual ratings on a club in a year with the team DER (or DER adjusted for park and fly/ground).  Not every year/team need be done!

     

     

     

     

    Posted 5/28/2009 respond (flag)
  • ian2813 ian2813
    +1
    Nice work. Interesting though, that Hal Chase comes out as a poor fielder when he was considered one of the best defensive first basemen ever by his peers (perhaps it was some of those errors he made on purpose when throwing games).
    Posted 5/29/2009 respond (flag)
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