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carty64 One thought I had about the NFL draft (which I think is less prone to tanking) is to use the team's winning percentage from the moment they have been eliminated from the playoffs.
Example:
let's say the Bulls are elimnated on the last day of the season with a 32-50 record (.400), you would use their final record to determine their pick, but if the Bucks were mathematically eliminated when their record was 23-32 (.418) even if it was 3 weeks ago, they'll have a higher pick than the Bulls and losing after that doesn't affect their draft position.
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carty64 I hope it was clear that it is still NON-playoff teams when they have been MATHEMATICALLY eliminated
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Ben Q. Rock Cool suggestions. -
Patrick What's so wrong with the lottery as it stands now? The worst teams in the league are far less likely to be rewarded with the highest draft picks compared with the other major sports.
The NBA will never get rid of tanking because a team’s performance is so dependent on individual players. The performance of 1 player is so much greater in the NBA than in the NFL or MLB. When a team’s all-star loses his motivation (and after 50+ losses, is that a surprise) is has a profound effect on the overall performance of his team. Add in the fact that guys shut it down because of injuries and coaches give more time to young guys to get them more experience, and I don’t think the tanking problem will be solved by switching up the lottery. -
DeROK The problem is not with players losing motivation or sitting out due to injury. That stuff happens. What is a problem is when teams intentionally try to lose to improve their draft positioning.
And even if things like the Heat benching Wade, or the Grizzlies trading Gasol weeks before the deadline are completely legit, they appear to be intentional because of the great benefit teams can receive from doing poorly once eliminated. If the system was fixed, these things would be non-issues.
carty64, I thought about something similar to what you suggested. Here's the one problem with that though - what if a team just legitimately stinks? If they were that bad, they could play their hearts out and still only play .200 basketball after being eliminated from the playoffs. With the system you suggested, a team like that who desperately needs a good pick would get sent to the back of the pack.
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carty64 if they played .200 ball all year, they'd be mathematically elimnated much sooner, and their .200 percentage would stand with respect to their draft spot. So if they were legimately (sp?) terrible, they'd be elimated sooner. Is that whad you were talking about?
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Patrick DeROK, just playing devil’s advocate with my last comment. I by no means think the current system is perfect. Your idea number 3 was probably my favorite, although the one concern I’d have it was it would condemn a team like Miami (who I think is a legitimately bad team who has fallen apart and is not tanking) to a few years of sucking before they could work their way up to a higher pick.
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DeROK Yeah, it would stink to be Miami as they'd have to pay their dues before their lottery odds are increased, but doesn't it stink more to be Charlotte, Minnesota, Seattle, Memphis, and New York? Those are the teams the NBA needs to get back in the game or risk losing fans. The #3 system gives the teams who have been suffering the longest the best odds, while also taking into account how poorly they did this year. Still, Miami wouldn't be completely screwed as they'd get the #4 pick at worst.
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CollegeWolf This was a great article.
I'm a big fan of system #3.
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