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Murray Chass: Statheads ruining baseball for real fans
Published 2/27/2007 by Adam J. Morris
... Update [2007-2-27 16:46:6 by Adam J. Morris]: -- Fire Joe Morgan takes on this article, in a much harsher and profane way than I did. WARNING -- the link contains several uses of the "F" word...
New-Age Stats
Published 2/28/2007 by RotoAuthority at MLB Rumors - MLBTradeRumors.com
... and would just like to talk. Meanwhile, Fire Joe Morgan shot back with the venom I was craving.
Thursday Linkiness
Published 3/1/2007 by Eric Simon
... about baseball statistics, Andrew says that mental toughness is "the most important trait in a baseball player", and goes on to qualify why giving Scrappy McHustleson extra credit for his clutchiness is nonsensical: When we start talking about how a certain player is more valuable because of his heart or his mental toughness, we're double counting those traits. If David Eckstein wasn't constantly training and running out every ground ball, there's no way he would be able to hit .292/.350/.344 in the big leagues. David Eckstein's heart and grit is what is keeping him in the big leagues, and that's an amazing thing. What it doesn't do is make him better than a guy who puts up better numbers. Also, be sure to check out Junior's response to Chass at the inimitable Fire Joe Morgan.
Thursday 03/01 A.M. Quickie:It's March! It's March! It's March!
Published 3/1/2007 by DanShanoff.com at Dan Shanoff
... , which is more than Chass deserves. That's why there's Fire Joe Morgan.
People Play Baseball. Numbers Don't.
Published 3/1/2007 by E.L.M. at El Lefty Malo
... I caricature because I love. As do the fellows at Fire Joe Morgan, who eviscerate Murray Chass here. I'll let them carry most of the water in making the argument, but dammit, why do people like Chass bury their head in the sand when it comes to new statistics? Batting average is a statistic, ERA is a statistic, saves is a statistic. Chass (and others like him, some who read this site) feel quite comfortable quoting those stats.
Around the horn: Spring trash talk
Published 3/2/2007 by Pip at Fungoes
... Presumably, Chass isn’t opposed to citing statistics, absolutely, just "new-age" ones (though it’s hard to take his final comment any other way). Not surprisingly, Chass’s bluster incited a few online responses, including a hilarious one from Fire Joe Morgan:
A tale of two sportswriters
Published 3/2/2007 by Mike Miliard at Sox Blog
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* FireJoeMorgan’s
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Is It April 1 Yet?
Published 3/5/2007 by Paul SF at Yanksfan Soxfan
... Sample size, you say? Pssh. If Manny Ramirez's four walks in eight plate appearances don't mean he'll be the first non-juiced player with a .500 regular-season OBP since Mantle and Williams both did it in 1957, then I don't know how you can even bother analyzing stats at all (after all, if it's not good enough for Murray, it's not good enough for me!)
Clearing the Bases
Published 3/29/2007 by Jay at The Futility Infielder
... for BP in one question: SI.com: Do you think that Internet-based baseball analysts and writers should be available for BBWAA awards and Hall of Fame voting? Schilling: Oh, it'll come full-circle at some point. Why wouldn't it? They already have a much larger impact than the Murray Chass' of the world would like to believe. I mean, you've got guys who are putting out what I know to be legitimately valuable statistical information and its relevance to a game in a win or a loss at Baseball Prospectus . Then you have guys that I'm not too fond of, like Murray Chass, who says, "What is VORP and who cares?" It was a stupid article. The only thing it did was show his ignorance to me in modern day baseball. Because those numbers do matter, those numbers do have value. Do they have value to me in getting a player out? No. But I would tell you that there are a lot of front offices that use those numbers for a l
Nod perfunctorily toward your columnist
#8 in a se...
Published 4/3/2007 by Big Ten Wonk at Big Ten Wonk: 2004-07
... like that coming from a stagecoach manufacturer circa 1910, this state of affairs in fact doesn't faze most sportswriters.
SI.com asks Curt Schilling about baseball awards voting
Published 4/11/2007 by susan mullen at XM MLB Chat
... Schilling: Oh, it'll come full-circle at some point. Why wouldn't it? They already have a much larger impact than the Murray Chass' of the world would like to believe. I mean, you've got guys who are putting out what I know to be legitimately valuable statistical information and its relevance to a game in a win or a loss at Baseball Prospectus. Then you have guys that I'm not too fond of, like Murray Chass, who says, "What is VORP and who cares?" It was a stupid article. The only thing it did was show his ignorance to me in modern day baseball. Because those numbers do matter, those numbers do have value. Do they have value to me in getting a player out? No. But I would tell you that there are a lot of front offices that use those numbers for a lot of important decision making.""
What’s the deal?
Published 10/30/2007 by Ben K. at River Ave. Blues
... Murray Chass at The Times comes in two flavors. One one hand, we’ve got the Bad Murray Chass who rails against VORP and feels threatens by numbers. On the other hand, we’ve got the Good Murray Chass who, today, ...
Newspaper Buyouts Come in Threes
Published 4/3/2008 by TheBigLead at The Big Lead
... (read: He doesn’t want to leave, but they want him out), and about 98 percent done. We emailed New York Times sports editor Tom Jolly to get confirmation, but have not heard back. Sources we spoke with anticipate Smith and MacMullan quickly being snapped up by online entities for their impeccable sources and the ability to break news; the sources are unsure whether or not Chass will be as fortunate.
Arguably the best takedown of Chass was penned by - who else? - Fire Joe Morgan in 2007. We highly recommend it.
Jackie Mack Taking Latest Globe Buyout ( ...
Some Monday bonus links
Published 4/7/2008 by Dave at NJ.com: Pride of the Yankees
... Murray Chass is in the process of being bought out by the NY Times . For a more -- ahem -- colorful rant on Chass's hatred for "new-era" baseball statistics (PG-13 language), see the ...
Lucky Sevens
Published 4/9/2008 by Jay at The Futility Infielder
... Hall of Fame equivalent for writers, back in 2003. But lately, poor Murray's brainpan has been dripping. You may recall that last February, Chass took a break from feeding the pigeons by the lake to take aim at Baseball Prospectus , complaining about those big mean acronyms like VORP which cluttered up the big bad daily emails he had signed up for by virtue of a complimentary subscription. He made himself look quite the fool , and we all had a good laugh at his expense (though surely, his editors deserved some opprobrium for letting him make ...
Opining on the MSSM-Blogs Ordeal
Published 10 days ago by Bill Baer at Baseball Digest Daily
... ? I highly doubt it. Don’t get me wrong: I’m not saying everyone in the MSSM is stupid and all Sabermetric bloggers are geniuses. They simply haven’t devoted enough time, if any at all, to understanding Sabermetrics – not enough to point out flaws in arguments that are made using them. I think the “old guard” type of baseball writers – Murray Chass , Bill Conlin, et. al. – not only fear being held accountable for what they write and not being able to respond properly, but they fear the simple change in ideology. It used to be that whatever they believed in baseball-wise was ...
